In the August issue of the Family Tree Magazine is an interesting article on Bakers, including the following links.
http://www.bakersfederation.org.uk/industrial_age.aspx
www.freshloaf.co.uk/Bread-History-57
(Graham I will fetch this magazine for you to look at when I next see you.)
Friday 29 June 2007
Saturday 23 June 2007
update
Just a quick update, we have had a busy week and tomorrow we are off to London. On thursday we went to Salford History Library to ask about Weaste Cemetary. It opened in 1857 and I thought it a possibility for where Charles Barnes may have been buried. The library did not have the burial records for the cemetary, the helpful man who works there told me more than 300,000 people are buried in that cemetary. They did have some MIs which have been transcribed by the family history society. There were several Barnes but none that appeared to be related.
Whilst at the library I found a photo showing the ground floor of a terrace in John Street where the Barnes family lived in 1891. It looks like a 'nice' terrace to me. There are two steps up to the front door which has two glass panals, a window above the door and an arch. Whilst it may not be the house they lived in, it does give a feel of what the street was like. I have a photocopy of this photo.
Aian has received the marriage certificate of Charles Barnes and Frances Acton. "She is certainly the right girl and he is certainly the right Charles - a baker with a baker father called William. Unfortunately Frances's father was called Richard Acton and he was a cabinet maker! So Robert Acton and Wigan are wrong!Back to checking again and in the 1841 census at Bridge Place in Boughton, Chester, there is a Fanny Acton, age 20, a female servant to a corn merchant called Richard Palin.Also cross checked with IGI there is a marriage of Richard Acton to a Sarah Griffies (Griffiths?) in 1802 at Chester St John's. Problem is, its a submitted entry and not an extracted record and thus, much less likely to be verifiable. On the other hand, a Joseph Griffith and a Susanna had a daughter Sarah in 1775 and christened her at St John's (Batch No C036571)Now, bearing in mind that a corn merchant is very likely to have dealings with bakers, could Charles have met Fanny (Frances) in the course of dealing for the family business and then (perhaps) they eloped to Manchester to marry?"
Whilst at the library I found a photo showing the ground floor of a terrace in John Street where the Barnes family lived in 1891. It looks like a 'nice' terrace to me. There are two steps up to the front door which has two glass panals, a window above the door and an arch. Whilst it may not be the house they lived in, it does give a feel of what the street was like. I have a photocopy of this photo.
Aian has received the marriage certificate of Charles Barnes and Frances Acton. "She is certainly the right girl and he is certainly the right Charles - a baker with a baker father called William. Unfortunately Frances's father was called Richard Acton and he was a cabinet maker! So Robert Acton and Wigan are wrong!Back to checking again and in the 1841 census at Bridge Place in Boughton, Chester, there is a Fanny Acton, age 20, a female servant to a corn merchant called Richard Palin.Also cross checked with IGI there is a marriage of Richard Acton to a Sarah Griffies (Griffiths?) in 1802 at Chester St John's. Problem is, its a submitted entry and not an extracted record and thus, much less likely to be verifiable. On the other hand, a Joseph Griffith and a Susanna had a daughter Sarah in 1775 and christened her at St John's (Batch No C036571)Now, bearing in mind that a corn merchant is very likely to have dealings with bakers, could Charles have met Fanny (Frances) in the course of dealing for the family business and then (perhaps) they eloped to Manchester to marry?"
Saturday 16 June 2007
Betsey Barnes.
Hi Aian
I have been browsing the census returns today - do you think this may be your Betsey Barnes in the 1881 census.
RG11,4534,foli 32, page 11Leeds, West Leeds 64
on Ancestry mistranscribed as ETTY BURNES b. 1851 born Alrewas, Staffordshire
48 St George StreetVictoria Hotel
Etty Barnes Head 30 Hotel keeper Staffordshire Alrewas
Annie Bates servant 24 Barmaid Yorkshire
Kate P..... servant 32 Barmaid Lancashire Blackpool
Sarah L.....servant 20 Barmaid Yorkshire
Cassie .... servant 21 Barmaid Yorkshire
Margaret ... servant 39 cook domestic Lancashire Liverpool
next page
Martha Wilkinson servant 20 kitchen maid Yorkshire leeds
Eliza Dee servant 24 waitress Durham Stockton on Tees
Emma Austin servant 29 chamber maid Midlesex London
Jane .... servant 25 General servant Yorks Leeds
George Sharp servant 16 page Leicester
And what do you think about this link?http://www.cityofleeds.co.uk/citysunshineaug04/source/city-of-leeds-7345.html
I will put this on the blog as no line has appeared underneath the link. (I am not very good with computers).regardsElizabeth
Also found this link which tells us when the Victoria Hotel was built.
http://www.pintofale.com/posts/200704-the-victoria-family-and-commercial-hotel-leeds.html
I have been browsing the census returns today - do you think this may be your Betsey Barnes in the 1881 census.
RG11,4534,foli 32, page 11Leeds, West Leeds 64
on Ancestry mistranscribed as ETTY BURNES b. 1851 born Alrewas, Staffordshire
48 St George StreetVictoria Hotel
Etty Barnes Head 30 Hotel keeper Staffordshire Alrewas
Annie Bates servant 24 Barmaid Yorkshire
Kate P..... servant 32 Barmaid Lancashire Blackpool
Sarah L.....servant 20 Barmaid Yorkshire
Cassie .... servant 21 Barmaid Yorkshire
Margaret ... servant 39 cook domestic Lancashire Liverpool
next page
Martha Wilkinson servant 20 kitchen maid Yorkshire leeds
Eliza Dee servant 24 waitress Durham Stockton on Tees
Emma Austin servant 29 chamber maid Midlesex London
Jane .... servant 25 General servant Yorks Leeds
George Sharp servant 16 page Leicester
And what do you think about this link?http://www.cityofleeds.co.uk/citysunshineaug04/source/city-of-leeds-7345.html
I will put this on the blog as no line has appeared underneath the link. (I am not very good with computers).regardsElizabeth
Also found this link which tells us when the Victoria Hotel was built.
http://www.pintofale.com/posts/200704-the-victoria-family-and-commercial-hotel-leeds.html
More information from Aian.
Thank you Aian.
William Barnes died 25 Aug 1833 (possibly cholera) buried at St. Oswald Chester.
William John Barnes, eldest son of William died 21 August 1834 of Cholera buried at St. Johns Church. His wife Elizabeth remarried Samuel Hayes a Veterinary Surgeon, she had two sons with William : William Barnes and Joseph Barnes.
Elizabeth Barnes died aged 17, 13th August 1834 buried at St. Oswald.
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"Martha Agnes' father was born at Cefnymynach, Kerry, Montgomery. She and her parents were visiting the farm at the time of the 1851 Census, and again at the time of 1861 census, so were probably living there by then as her uncle, the owner, was unmarried and with no children."
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"Frances Acton, first wife of Charles Barnes was the daughter of Robert Acton, a schoolmaster in King Street Wigan, after her marriage she died in Russell Street Boughton where her mother-in-law lived. Her death was due to Erythema of the mouth, which appears to have been a very severe form of cold sores but inside the mouth rather than on the lips."
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"Betsey Barnes, the first born of Charles Barnes and Elizabeth, turns up age 22 as the head of house, unmarried and a Licencee in High Street Wem in 1871. She then seems to disappear until she marries John William Gaines in Doncaster in 1898. In the 1901 census she and her husband are Wine and Spirit Merchants at 62 Church Street, Askern, DoncasterCharles Barnes wedding certificate to Martha Agnes describes his father, William, as a captain (in reality, a sergeant) and his age was understated by 6 years - an effort to impress a very young girl and her family, perhaps!"
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"One curiousity (amongst many). 1n 1874 when Frederick William Barnes was born, in Liverpool? (I haven't checked this birth yet), Trade Directories for 1874 and 1875 show Charles Barnes to be at 10 Burton Street, Shrewsbury, which I presume to be the same address as where Elizabeth Barnes died on 7th March 1870 and where Charles Barnes was described as a Colliery Agent and by the 1871 Census he was living at Atcham St Chad Shropshire with Martha Agnes."
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The following is a link to a very interesting site about the history of Chester, if you scroll down the page almost to the end, under 1832 is a reference to Cholera.
www.bwpics.co.uk/sighs2.html
William Barnes died 25 Aug 1833 (possibly cholera) buried at St. Oswald Chester.
William John Barnes, eldest son of William died 21 August 1834 of Cholera buried at St. Johns Church. His wife Elizabeth remarried Samuel Hayes a Veterinary Surgeon, she had two sons with William : William Barnes and Joseph Barnes.
Elizabeth Barnes died aged 17, 13th August 1834 buried at St. Oswald.
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"Martha Agnes' father was born at Cefnymynach, Kerry, Montgomery. She and her parents were visiting the farm at the time of the 1851 Census, and again at the time of 1861 census, so were probably living there by then as her uncle, the owner, was unmarried and with no children."
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"Frances Acton, first wife of Charles Barnes was the daughter of Robert Acton, a schoolmaster in King Street Wigan, after her marriage she died in Russell Street Boughton where her mother-in-law lived. Her death was due to Erythema of the mouth, which appears to have been a very severe form of cold sores but inside the mouth rather than on the lips."
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"Betsey Barnes, the first born of Charles Barnes and Elizabeth, turns up age 22 as the head of house, unmarried and a Licencee in High Street Wem in 1871. She then seems to disappear until she marries John William Gaines in Doncaster in 1898. In the 1901 census she and her husband are Wine and Spirit Merchants at 62 Church Street, Askern, DoncasterCharles Barnes wedding certificate to Martha Agnes describes his father, William, as a captain (in reality, a sergeant) and his age was understated by 6 years - an effort to impress a very young girl and her family, perhaps!"
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"One curiousity (amongst many). 1n 1874 when Frederick William Barnes was born, in Liverpool? (I haven't checked this birth yet), Trade Directories for 1874 and 1875 show Charles Barnes to be at 10 Burton Street, Shrewsbury, which I presume to be the same address as where Elizabeth Barnes died on 7th March 1870 and where Charles Barnes was described as a Colliery Agent and by the 1871 Census he was living at Atcham St Chad Shropshire with Martha Agnes."
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The following is a link to a very interesting site about the history of Chester, if you scroll down the page almost to the end, under 1832 is a reference to Cholera.
www.bwpics.co.uk/sighs2.html
Friday 15 June 2007
Message for Pat
"I'm excited by your reference to Frederick William LEOPOLD Barnes and his death in 1936. I have ONE reference to a William Frederick L Barnes and I never followed it up (I thought it to be a misprint), but his date of death is about right (I have the photograph of him at my mother's wedding before this date, by the way).Please ask Pat for her source on this, I would be most interested - obviously!It also ties in with one of our family's traditions, that Charles Barnes had "a thing" about famous personalities, Friedrich Wilhelm, German Kaiser; Horatio Nelson, and, now, Leopold (King of the Belgians?)"
Arrrg......correction.
Concerning Frederick William Barnes.
I have the BDM wrong, as I have found another Frederick Barnes born West Derby for 1874 on the IGI site. So I will have to have another look at this. I think I am right in saying that a Liverpool birth would not at that time be registered under Liverpool so I need first to look at what they may have been registered under. Also although the later census indicate birth year of 1874, the 1881 census shows him as 9 so his birth year could have been 1872/1. Appologies. Thank you to Aian.
I should have looked at all the information properly. Pat has a birth year of 1871 for Frederick William Leopold Barnes.
I have the BDM wrong, as I have found another Frederick Barnes born West Derby for 1874 on the IGI site. So I will have to have another look at this. I think I am right in saying that a Liverpool birth would not at that time be registered under Liverpool so I need first to look at what they may have been registered under. Also although the later census indicate birth year of 1874, the 1881 census shows him as 9 so his birth year could have been 1872/1. Appologies. Thank you to Aian.
I should have looked at all the information properly. Pat has a birth year of 1871 for Frederick William Leopold Barnes.
Thursday 14 June 2007
Edward Henry Barnes: census
son of Charles and Elizabeth
1871: RG10,2678,42,42
Tewkesbury, Tewkesbury 2
with the Allard family
Edward H.Barnes Lodger unmarried 20 commercial traveller Alrewas Staffords.
(there was something else written in the occupation column but could not read it, as it had a line drawn through it.)
1881: RG11,2578,34,25
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 2
114 High St.
Edward H. Barnes 30 M Wine merchant Alrewas
Harriet C. 31 M.
1891: RG12,2050,110,8
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 26 (Kemerton)
Edward H. Barnes 40 Farmer Staff.Lichfield
Henrietta C. 41
Harry S. 2
Susan Jones 24 General servant domestic
Rachel Jones 15 General servant domestic
1901: RG13,2469,52,9
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 24
Edward Henry Barnes 50 Farmer Alrewas
Susan Jones 30 servant
Matilda Read 17 servant
ALSO may be Edward's son
RG13,2781,121,1
Worcester,Worcester 42
Henry Barnes 12 Boarder born Kemerton, Gloucestershire
Barbourne College ????
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I have not put as much detail about these entries because the handwritting was so difficult to read and I really was not sure.
From free BMD
marriage Dec 1871 Upton 6c/585
Edward Henry Barnes + Harriet Checketts/Charlotte Smith
death Sep 1894 Tewkesbury 6a/221
Harriet Checketta Barnes age 45
1871: RG10,2678,42,42
Tewkesbury, Tewkesbury 2
with the Allard family
Edward H.Barnes Lodger unmarried 20 commercial traveller Alrewas Staffords.
(there was something else written in the occupation column but could not read it, as it had a line drawn through it.)
1881: RG11,2578,34,25
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 2
114 High St.
Edward H. Barnes 30 M Wine merchant Alrewas
Harriet C. 31 M.
1891: RG12,2050,110,8
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 26 (Kemerton)
Edward H. Barnes 40 Farmer Staff.Lichfield
Henrietta C. 41
Harry S. 2
Susan Jones 24 General servant domestic
Rachel Jones 15 General servant domestic
1901: RG13,2469,52,9
Tewkesbury,Tewkesbury 24
Edward Henry Barnes 50 Farmer Alrewas
Susan Jones 30 servant
Matilda Read 17 servant
ALSO may be Edward's son
RG13,2781,121,1
Worcester,Worcester 42
Henry Barnes 12 Boarder born Kemerton, Gloucestershire
Barbourne College ????
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I have not put as much detail about these entries because the handwritting was so difficult to read and I really was not sure.
From free BMD
marriage Dec 1871 Upton 6c/585
Edward Henry Barnes + Harriet Checketts/Charlotte Smith
death Sep 1894 Tewkesbury 6a/221
Harriet Checketta Barnes age 45
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